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		<title>Comment on Why Diaspora will succeed by Joe</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/09/why-diaspora-will-succeed/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Simeon

There are a few projects very similar to Diaspora.. like Higgins, foaf+ssl and The Mine! Project.. with one difference: PR. Maybe that&#039;s the missing element.

We&#039;ll have to see if being open (and being the brother of the black sheep) is a good enough reason to make people move away from (let&#039;s face it) their beloved Facebook.

I think social networks not only have to become more open, but also grow up. There must be something better than attention driven business models and something more useful than activity streams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Simeon</p>
<p>There are a few projects very similar to Diaspora.. like Higgins, foaf+ssl and The Mine! Project.. with one difference: PR. Maybe that&#8217;s the missing element.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to see if being open (and being the brother of the black sheep) is a good enough reason to make people move away from (let&#8217;s face it) their beloved Facebook.</p>
<p>I think social networks not only have to become more open, but also grow up. There must be something better than attention driven business models and something more useful than activity streams.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Localloop.co.za now locally hosted by Aragon</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/09/localloop-co-za-now-locally-hosted/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Aragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear!  Do you know of any local v6 peering going on in ZA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear!  Do you know of any local v6 peering going on in ZA?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open access consumer broadband in South Africa by TheRoDent</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/08/open-access-consumer-broadband-in-south-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRoDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technical angle: &lt;a href=&quot;http://rodent.za.net/open-access-networks-or-ppp-is-not-dead/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on open access&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technical angle: <a href="http://rodent.za.net/open-access-networks-or-ppp-is-not-dead/" rel="nofollow">on open access</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Open access consumer broadband in South Africa by Regardt vd Vyver</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/08/open-access-consumer-broadband-in-south-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Regardt vd Vyver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simeon,

I&#039;ll not go into the exact reasons for the stall - lets rather focus on the good aspects:

1) The OAN was actually over large parts of Pretoria (Tshwane Electrical department gave us access to their fiber). We used a combination of Wifi high sites and of course the mesh network you previously mentioned.
2) As you indicated it was open access - and worked really well.
3) There was a sound business case - but required cost effective backhaul connectivity - it was here that we hope for REAL input from municipal networks

In my view we may see some interesting developments in the near future as far as suburban networks are concerned - deploy wireless or PON only within a specific suburb - it can be cost effectively deployed but some clarity still needs to be gained on things like facilities leasing on telkom poles etc. This may not result in a OAN - but rather in focussed providers in smaller areas.

Regardt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simeon,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll not go into the exact reasons for the stall &#8211; lets rather focus on the good aspects:</p>
<p>1) The OAN was actually over large parts of Pretoria (Tshwane Electrical department gave us access to their fiber). We used a combination of Wifi high sites and of course the mesh network you previously mentioned.<br />
2) As you indicated it was open access &#8211; and worked really well.<br />
3) There was a sound business case &#8211; but required cost effective backhaul connectivity &#8211; it was here that we hope for REAL input from municipal networks</p>
<p>In my view we may see some interesting developments in the near future as far as suburban networks are concerned &#8211; deploy wireless or PON only within a specific suburb &#8211; it can be cost effectively deployed but some clarity still needs to be gained on things like facilities leasing on telkom poles etc. This may not result in a OAN &#8211; but rather in focussed providers in smaller areas.</p>
<p>Regardt</p>
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		<title>Comment on The smart phone I would want by David</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/08/the-smart-phone-i-would-want/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a good wish list.

You are right, the N900 is very very close to this list. There is a opensource project working at getting the usb host part working, but only for devices that need very little power from USB, like I assume a keyboard might work.

On the other hand I am dissapointed that OVI Maps are still at version 1.0 instead of 3.0 on my N82 where OVI Maps are 100 times better.

Other than I can&#039;t really complain, except that I am sometimes jealous of the cool apps that are out there for android phones...*grin*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a good wish list.</p>
<p>You are right, the N900 is very very close to this list. There is a opensource project working at getting the usb host part working, but only for devices that need very little power from USB, like I assume a keyboard might work.</p>
<p>On the other hand I am dissapointed that OVI Maps are still at version 1.0 instead of 3.0 on my N82 where OVI Maps are 100 times better.</p>
<p>Other than I can&#8217;t really complain, except that I am sometimes jealous of the cool apps that are out there for android phones&#8230;*grin*</p>
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		<title>Comment on New kid on the block: Neology by Local Loop : Open access consumer broadband in South Africa</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2009/07/new-kid-on-the-block-neology/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Loop : Open access consumer broadband in South Africa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few years ago, Neology (who I&#8217;ve previously blogged about) did an OAN pilot project in Hatfield for the Tswhane (Pretoria) municipality. If I have the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few years ago, Neology (who I&#8217;ve previously blogged about) did an OAN pilot project in Hatfield for the Tswhane (Pretoria) municipality. If I have the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISPA members provide hosting for local spammers by Juanita</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2010/02/ispa-members-provide-hosting-for-local-spammers/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh, snap! ;-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh, snap! ;-P</p>
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		<title>Comment on Power over Ethernet makes CAT5 cable less tasty? by TheRoDent</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2009/11/power-over-ethernet-makes-cat5-cable-less-tasty/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRoDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two dachsies haven&#039;t nibbled on any of my PoE powered WiFi gear yet. 

That would be quite a feat since it&#039;s all roof mounted and trunked through the ceiling but they sure have nibbled and peed on at just about anything else available :)

The one thing about Dachsies that&#039;s simply undeniable is the spirit and character ;)

Ch0mpz0r sk1LLz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two dachsies haven&#8217;t nibbled on any of my PoE powered WiFi gear yet. </p>
<p>That would be quite a feat since it&#8217;s all roof mounted and trunked through the ceiling but they sure have nibbled and peed on at just about anything else available :)</p>
<p>The one thing about Dachsies that&#8217;s simply undeniable is the spirit and character ;)</p>
<p>Ch0mpz0r sk1LLz</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISPs posing as Internet exchanges by TheRoDent</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2009/12/isps-posing-as-internet-exchanges/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRoDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I lied. I&#039;m not done yet ;)

Let&#039;s take Level3 as an entirely different example. They are huge they have commercial principles. They have many customers which are mostly ISP&#039;s or companies with their own AS&#039;s and netblocks

Are they an exchange  (regardless of geographic connectivity) ?

I guess the answer is that they are a &quot;carrier&quot;.

My feeling is that Africa.INX&#039;s focus is an attempt to be an African &quot;carrier&quot;. Not focusing on /32&#039;s but focusing on AS&#039;es and /16&#039;s 

Level3 doesn&#039;t offer an &quot;exchange&quot; in the traditional sense, but they do colocate in hotels such as Telehouse, and Telehouse is technically a commercial Layer2 exchange.

Terraco in Cape Town is going to be hosting Telehouse Africa, and Telehouse will be providing international Layer2 to the other telehouse points, e.g. UK.

Now Telehouse is going to become an international telco as well an exchange point!

Like I said, convergence has blurred the lines, and organisations need to pick their focus and stick with it, regardless of whether they are labelled a carrier, exchange, or ISP.

Labels have become largely irrelevant. Service is what drives success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I lied. I&#8217;m not done yet ;)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take Level3 as an entirely different example. They are huge they have commercial principles. They have many customers which are mostly ISP&#8217;s or companies with their own AS&#8217;s and netblocks</p>
<p>Are they an exchange  (regardless of geographic connectivity) ?</p>
<p>I guess the answer is that they are a &#8220;carrier&#8221;.</p>
<p>My feeling is that Africa.INX&#8217;s focus is an attempt to be an African &#8220;carrier&#8221;. Not focusing on /32&#8242;s but focusing on AS&#8217;es and /16&#8242;s </p>
<p>Level3 doesn&#8217;t offer an &#8220;exchange&#8221; in the traditional sense, but they do colocate in hotels such as Telehouse, and Telehouse is technically a commercial Layer2 exchange.</p>
<p>Terraco in Cape Town is going to be hosting Telehouse Africa, and Telehouse will be providing international Layer2 to the other telehouse points, e.g. UK.</p>
<p>Now Telehouse is going to become an international telco as well an exchange point!</p>
<p>Like I said, convergence has blurred the lines, and organisations need to pick their focus and stick with it, regardless of whether they are labelled a carrier, exchange, or ISP.</p>
<p>Labels have become largely irrelevant. Service is what drives success.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISPs posing as Internet exchanges by TheRoDent</title>
		<link>http://localloop.co.za/2009/12/isps-posing-as-internet-exchanges/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRoDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, my last bloody tidbit on the topic.

Just as one can have multiple types of ISP&#039;s with varying focus one can have multiple kinds of Internet Exchanges, with different fundamental business models.

Commercial Internet Exchanges, ala Telehouse or Africa.INX

Semi-commercial Internet exchanges, ala DE-CIX and JINX (created by ISP organisations).

&quot;Communist&quot; Internet Exchanges, instigated by governments.

Which do you  prefer ? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, my last bloody tidbit on the topic.</p>
<p>Just as one can have multiple types of ISP&#8217;s with varying focus one can have multiple kinds of Internet Exchanges, with different fundamental business models.</p>
<p>Commercial Internet Exchanges, ala Telehouse or Africa.INX</p>
<p>Semi-commercial Internet exchanges, ala DE-CIX and JINX (created by ISP organisations).</p>
<p>&#8220;Communist&#8221; Internet Exchanges, instigated by governments.</p>
<p>Which do you  prefer ? ;)</p>
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